www.playlikechan.com

[drfastpitch]

To anyone and everyone. At my weekly live game the discussion turn to the internet. Most of my fellow players thought it was rigged in some way. KK up againist AA too much, too many draw outs. The prevailing opinion was that the sites keep you losing a little at a time. My contention to them was why rig it. The money is in the rakes and the plus part of the tournament fees. My second contention was with the speed that information moves on the net now, any hint of wrong doing would kill a site in 30 days. I would appreciate your opinions on this matter

drfastpitch

[Mark]

One thing to keep in mind is that the overall edge for a good player is considerably less online due to the absence of a lot of very useful information. This alone will result in a lower win rate per hand and much larger variance.
- Mark

[Wizard]

the sites themselves aren't cheating you out of your money, but there ARE 3rd party programs that have cracked the programming for certain online sites. google for it and you'll find that you can buy card trackers and all kinds of cheats...im sure some of them are simply scams, but i'd feel confident in saying a few are real. So i guess to sum it up, the site doesnt cheat you, but players and 3rd party programs can cheat you(if youre going to play online, read up on which kind of programming and stuff they use, because apparently some of them are easily cracked and some arent. example: http://www.cheat-at-poker.com/?gclid=COGAh_q-5oICFUdoDgodNScx4A
also...its easy enough to have 4 of your friends sit down at the same table as you and be talking to them on the phone or through online messaging, and tell each other what cards they hold as well as what cards have been mucked, giving them a fairly large edge over the other people at the table.

[ShanTu]

[Wizard]

[Mark]

I don't believe these programs work. You will probably lose money with them. The seller would not be selling them if they worked. The same type of garbage systems have been sold to stock traders for years and the only people they make money for are the ones selling them.

[jbharshaw]

Did you know that 95% of all marked cards end up in home games. Without an inside man that has continous access to the servers, there is no way for an outside program to pentrate the present generation of poker clients. There may be a possiblility that the random seed might be spoofed but the complex RNGs used today generally preclude it being done quickly enough to effect the game.

jb
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[Wizard]

i talked with a guy that made a decent living(300-500 lbs a month) playing online poker, which he said was 40+ hrs a week. obviously he's seen a lot of hands online, and has a good enough # of hands to have a fairly accurate representation of general statistics. He said that he's mathamatically proven that some sites "juice" their cards. for instance, he said that interpoker(where i play mostly) juices pocket aces. I'm still slightly skeptical, but it sure makes you wonder about the validity of any of these online sites, especially since they operate outside of the united states, so they're basically free from prosecution, and are governed by different laws and regulations. just something to think about.

[jbharshaw]

40 hours per week, 50 hands per hour, 2 tables = only 4000 hands per week. 200,000 hands per year with two weeks vacation. If he started playing when Planet Poker opened in 97 He has been playing 8 years or 1.6 million hands. That really isn't a large enough sample. When I run situations I use 10 million hand per run with 10 runs and still get substantial deviations.

Add the fact that he has probably relied on memory which often tricks us, his experience is probably suspect. If he using something like Poker Tracker, he has more credibility but still not a significant sample.

jb
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